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Is Inbreeding Needed?


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jessica

Fri Sep 12 2008, 08:47AM

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Please read article and tell us your opinion on this matter http://www.canine-genetics.com/Inbreeding2.pdf I feel that line breeding is a tool to help keep what one is looking for out of a specific dog....But also that it should be used carefully and minimally.

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I always thought you line breed to strengthen traits you like and you outcross(same breed,non related bloodline) to weaken the traits you do not like.

Stinky-Mastiff

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I just watched this, its telling at least. Showed a couple of NEO's.

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Mon Dec 14 2009, 11:55AM

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I think inbreeding is OK on a small scale. But you still need to outcross. I believe a good outcross can happen if you are very discriminating in your selection, IE select outcross lines or even another breed that has characteristics you are looking for. Longer muzzle, good muscle/bone, tighter skin, and more importantly temperament and courage.

Or at leat me personally if I bred NEO's that's what I would look for.

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I would like to see the CO1 rating for the top game bred APBTs as typically these dogs are remarkably healthy considering the level of line breeding in most that I have seen...
Is it not just inbreeding, but selection thereafter?

maximus

Tue Dec 15 2009, 11:32AM

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Deacon wrote ...
snip... outcross(same breed,non related bloodline)

I thought outcrossing was to a similar breed not the same breed. For instance outcrossing a Neapolitan Mastiff to a Cane Corso, Bullmastiff or Presa Canario to get a desired result like more athleticism, less wrinkles or sharper temp, etc..

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Actually Outcrossing seems to be a Very loose term;

I like how this person explains it....Off of Kirby Sporting Mountain Dogs.....

"Outcross breeding is much easier to explain so we will start here.

Outcross breeding is when you take a male and female dog of the same breed but have no relatives that are the same. It is similar to putting two dogs of different breeds together as they do not have any relatives. When you mix breeds or outcross in the same breed of dogs, the puppies could have three different looks. Some may look like the mom, some like the dad, and some may have neither the mother nor the father’s appearance. In outcross breeding the appearance (similarities and differences with the parents) are immediately noticeable. However, the health and temperament of the outcross breeding takes longer to distinguish.

People often believe that, because the outcross is a blending of two non related dogs, there is an averaging of the parents’ characteristics in their offspring. One would think that more blending of size, shape, coat, ear length, and temperament and health factors would take place. But this is not true, as I stated before, the puppies could look nothing like either parent.

One upside to the outcross breeding is a thing called Hybrid Vigor. Hybrid vigor means that when you cross breed you get healthier, stronger specimens. However, not all cross breeding produce hybrid vigor because this is not a perfect world. Obviously, you need to have two healthy, genetically clean parents to start—knowing the background of the sires and dams is important in any breeding. With a dog such as the Labrador Retriever, the #1 dog in America today, outcross breeding is a good breeding practice. Why? Because of its popularity, the demand for labs is high; breeding happens in order to keep up the supply for the demand; and along with all this breeding comes all the health ailments out there. Outcross breeding and sire/dam research can reduce the occurrences of these issues.

With outcross breeding there is a concern with performance. Pointing instinct, flushing instinct, and retrieving ability can be seriously diminished. It is important to mention here that diminished performance is a possibility with outcross breeding but with researching the performance histories of the sires and dams successful dogs can be produced through this kind of breeding."

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If people down here outcrossed were would we get our wives from LOL........... bit of southern humor

MastinoCharina

Tue Dec 15 2009, 06:30PM

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lol

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OH NO HE DINT!!!!

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He DID!!


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